Henry and Ally's Video Vault II

[Voodoo Lady]

I should also add that the more I think about it, the more plot holes and silliness I find, so it's entirely possible I'm swept up in the moment or have contracted "Indy fever". So if you hate it, don't blame me.

[Son of Tubbs returns!]

Plot holes are fine, you have to look at it for what it is. Indiana Jones is just rollicking good adventure fun!

Im now thinking of Indy ride in Disneyland!

[Viper]

I saw it Wednesday night and then again on Thursday, but didn't post cos I was the last person to post! I know I can after a while, but I still felt like a d*ck doing it.

But I totally truly madly deeply loved it. It in fact p*ssed me off that so many critics and commentators and fans had gotten me all worried about stupid stuff that didn't even register!

For example:

The whole "Tarzan LeBeef" thing, where he "used" the monkeys to "attack" the Russkies that all the fan nits were ranting about on aintitcool. I thought it was going to be some bizarre Dr Doliitle moment with him swinging through the jungle for five hours wearing a loincloth! The whole thing was on screen for like, five seconds- and I'm sorry, if that makes you hate a film you're a simpleton who will never like anything. You're one of those "The Phantom Menace bummed and then ate my childhood" types, who flashes their e-penis around by talking about how George Lucas touched you in your bathing suit area by daring to make Attack Of The Clones.

Get. Over. It.

As for the rest of the film- loved the snake rope. Loved the motorbike chase and then the student asking him questions. Loved his expression on seeing Marion and the rocks all hovering in the air at the end. Loved the creepy cemetary (sooooooooo Indiana Jones!) and the first time he swings on his whip. Loved LeBeef, loved Marion, loved loved loved Cate Blanchette!

Which is another thing I disagree with most people about- I didn't think her performance was weird. I thought it kicked some serious booty. I'd say she's one of the best villains in the entire series, cos not only is she cool and bad and evil in that Indy Othery Foreigny type of way (as all good pulp villains should be), but she actually got down and dirty and fought for the MacGuffin. That's how bad she wanted it. And you believed that she believed in its power, and so it made the MacGuffin more scary and believable.

She was a better villain than Donovan or Belloq, I thought. And LeBeef was as good a sidekick as Short Round.

Oh, and as for Indy "just being a bystander" at the end, as some critics/bummed by George Lucas types have said- chew on this:

If Indy hadn't been a part of Raiders, the end would have been exactly the same. They would have found the Ark, and melted their faces off with or without Indy.

I have no idea why I'm arguing with the George Lucas Bummed Me club here, but there we have it. Maybe it's because it's weird how much all the talk surrounding the movie actually made me appreciate it more. It's a true Indy film, for God's sake! Indy on crutches trying to find the lost hair bobble of some person down the road is better than 99% of films out there. I would pay good money to see Indiana Jones And The Lost Hair Bobble Of Some Person. I would even pay good money to see Shia LeBeef And The Really Bad Fifties Haircut over Transformers 2: More Metal Things You Can't Quite Distinguish From The Background.

Oh, but I was psyched when he grabbed the hat back too, VL! Like he was saying- I'm still Indy, kid. I'm not done yet.

And when the movie started in the midnight screening I went to, some bloke shouted out: Go on, Indy! Like go on, my son! And it was awesome. And two people at the front had the hats and the whips and I almost slept with them both.

[Voodoo Lady]

I saw it Wednesday night and then again on Thursday, but didn't post cos I was the last person to post! I know I can after a while, but I still felt like a d*ck doing it.

But I totally truly madly deeply loved it. It in fact p*ssed me off that so many critics and commentators and fans had gotten me all worried about stupid stuff that didn't even register!

For example:

The whole "Tarzan LeBeef" thing, where he "used" the monkeys to "attack" the Russkies that all the fan nits were ranting about on aintitcool. I thought it was going to be some bizarre Dr Doliitle moment with him swinging through the jungle for five hours wearing a loincloth! The whole thing was on screen for like, five seconds- and I'm sorry, if that makes you hate a film you're a simpleton who will never like anything. You're one of those "The Phantom Menace bummed and then ate my childhood" types, who flashes their e-penis around by talking about how George Lucas touched you in your bathing suit area by daring to make Attack Of The Clones.

Get. Over. It.

As for the rest of the film- loved the snake rope. Loved the motorbike chase and then the student asking him questions. Loved his expression on seeing Marion and the rocks all hovering in the air at the end. Loved the creepy cemetary (sooooooooo Indiana Jones!) and the first time he swings on his whip. Loved LeBeef, loved Marion, loved loved loved Cate Blanchette!

Which is another thing I disagree with most people about- I didn't think her performance was weird. I thought it kicked some serious booty. I'd say she's one of the best villains in the entire series, cos not only is she cool and bad and evil in that Indy Othery Foreigny type of way (as all good pulp villains should be), but she actually got down and dirty and fought for the MacGuffin. That's how bad she wanted it. And you believed that she believed in its power, and so it made the MacGuffin more scary and believable.

She was a better villain than Donovan or Belloq, I thought. And LeBeef was as good a sidekick as Short Round.

Oh, and as for Indy "just being a bystander" at the end, as some critics/bummed by George Lucas types have said- chew on this:

If Indy hadn't been a part of Raiders, the end would have been exactly the same. They would have found the Ark, and melted their faces off with or without Indy.

I have no idea why I'm arguing with the George Lucas Bummed Me club here, but there we have it. Maybe it's because it's weird how much all the talk surrounding the movie actually made me appreciate it more. It's a true Indy film, for God's sake! Indy on crutches trying to find the lost hair bobble of some person down the road is better than 99% of films out there. I would pay good money to see Indiana Jones And The Lost Hair Bobble Of Some Person. I would even pay good money to see Shia LeBeef And The Really Bad Fifties Haircut over Transformers 2: More Metal Things You Can't Quite Distinguish From The Background.

Oh, but I was psyched when he grabbed the hat back too, VL! Like he was saying- I'm still Indy, kid. I'm not done yet.

And when the movie started in the midnight screening I went to, some bloke shouted out: Go on, Indy! Like go on, my son! And it was awesome. And two people at the front had the hats and the whips and I almost slept with them both.

=hugs Viper and jumps* around in Indy-lust-induced circles, whatever that means=

*Being careful of her gross ankle, naturally.

I love, love, LOVE that you love, love, LOVED it! I agree with just about everything you said, even when it was about stuff I said I thought was silly or whatever. Because what you said would sort of be the clarification I should have added after saying I thought those bits were silly. If that makes any kind of real sense at all.

I agree on the Tarzan thing. I do think it was stupid, but not so much that I would have paid it any further attention if other people hadn’t been up in arms about it. So what? In fact, I LOVED that the monkeys had Mutt’s hair style! And to be fair, I can kind of see that they were trying to establish that like Indy, he can swing around on things.

The exchange in the diner was fun. I only found it distracting because of the way they filmed it. They sat Shia about a foot and a half closer to the camera than Harrison, but had them talk as if they were facing each other, just like they did in Lord of the Rings. As a filmmaker, I am dying to know why in the hell they did that because it made Shia look like a hulk next to Harrison, when he’s clearly much smaller through the rest of the film.

The motorcycle chase was brilliant. LOVE that the student in the library asked Indy that question, completely nonplussed like he slides in on a bike every day. And of course Indy’s response was typical Indy cheek, which was lovely.

The sword fight ROCKED. Marion coaching Mutt as he fought was a fun touch, too. And yes, I agree that Blanchett’s performance was fantastic. I was only saying that her accent was a bit weird, but I should have also said that given how stellar her accents typically are, and given Indy’s comment on it, I have to think that was a deliberate choice.

Snake rope was fantastic. I laughed myself stupid, especially given the way they dragged it out. “Find something else! Don’t call it a snake!” Probably misquoting, but I’ve only seen it the once. I think my favorite line, weirdly, was when Indy said, “This is insufferable!” It was like a sweet, private in-joke for the fans, especially since you could hardly hear it. And of course “I have a bad feeling about this” was a lovely little nod to Star Wars.

One thing I was disappointed about was that there didn’t seem to be a Wilhelm scream, unless I missed it. I know Ben Burtt, who made it famous in the Star Wars and Indy films, said he’s going to stop using it because too many people know about it, but I had hoped he’d put it into this last film before retiring it. It’s sad to have one lonely Indy film with no Wilhelm scream.

However, George Lucas did rape my childhood. That's why my childhood got mixed up with the wrong crowd and was last spotted headed for Tucson on the back of a Harley Davidson with a coke addict named Bruno.

[Viper]

=hugs Viper and jumps* around in Indy-lust-induced circles, whatever that means=

*jumps right along with VL, doing the Indy dance of lust voodoo*

Kali-MAR-Shakdi-day! Yeah!


"I agree on the Tarzan thing. I do think it was stupid, but not so much that I would have paid it any further attention if other people hadn’t been up in arms about it. So what?"

My thoughts exactly. Other commentators just got me all worked up about something I wouldn't even have noticed as something potentially negative.

"The exchange in the diner was fun. I only found it distracting because of the way they filmed it. They sat Shia about a foot and a half closer to the camera than Harrison, but had them talk as if they were facing each other, just like they did in Lord of the Rings. As a filmmaker, I am dying to know why in the hell they did that because it made Shia look like a hulk next to Harrison, when he’s clearly much smaller through the rest of the film."



I didn't notice, but now you mention it and thinking back on it...I guess he did look humongous! He must have looked even more humongous to you, since you see film trickerys and stuff like that with a keener eye than most. Me? I just go- oh wow they made Ian McKellen into a giant with giant juice!

Because I am a big fool.

"I was only saying that her accent was a bit weird, but I should have also said that given how stellar her accents typically are, and given Indy’s comment on it, I have to think that was a deliberate choice."

It annoyed me how she said Dr Jones. Rest of accent: Russian. Dr Jones: British.

"Snake rope was fantastic. I laughed myself stupid, especially given the way they dragged it out. “Find something else! Don’t call it a snake!” Probably misquoting, but I’ve only seen it the once."

No- you're right, I think. I loved it when he said- I think I can touch the bottom. I can feel it with my feet!

Oh, and I loved his reaction to the snake- that scared Indy noise he makes. And when he was running from bullets in the warehouse, and he did the hunched over bullets are going to get me Indy run.

"I think my favorite line, weirdly, was when Indy said, “This is insufferable!” It was like a sweet, private in-joke for the fans, especially since you could hardly hear it. And of course “I have a bad feeling about this” was a lovely little nod to Star Wars."

EeEeeEEeeeeeeeeeeeee! Still ee-ing.

"One thing I was disappointed about was that there didn’t seem to be a Wilhelm scream, unless I missed it. I know Ben Burtt, who made it famous in the Star Wars and Indy films, said he’s going to stop using it because too many people know about it, but I had hoped he’d put it into this last film before retiring it. It’s sad to have one lonely Indy film with no Wilhelm scream. "

I don't know about it! What the heck's a Wilhelm scream?

*is embarrassed by lack of Indy knowledge, and retracts all claims towards being some sort of Indy uberfan*

However, George Lucas did rape my childhood. That's why my childhood got mixed up with the wrong crowd and was last spotted headed for Tucson on the back of a Harley Davidson with a coke addict named Bruno.

Yeah? Well George Lucas bummed my Dad. Behind some bins. And then he bummed my whole family, in a skip. Including my pets. Even the ones without bumholes.

And then he made them all watch The Phantom Menace, while being bummed by his best friend, Steven Spielberg. Only they liked it when it was Steven. Until he revealed that it wasn't Steven. Just some tramp with a beard and a hat that said on it: Steven Spielgerg*. George Lucas didn't even bother to get his name right on the hat, which was just the icing on the cake, really.


*True story: when we went to see Hook, it was at an old cinema that did its own signs. On the sign for Hook, someone had spelt Steven's name "Spielgerg".

[Voodoo Lady]

Read, listen, and be edumacated!


http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=787

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_scream

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cdbYsoEasio

[Son of Tubbs returns!]

I'm finding it tiresome now.What are they trying to do?

[Viper]

Read, listen, and be edumacated!

Ah, I recognise it now! Thanks VL.

I'm finding it tiresome now.What are they trying to do?

What is who trying to do?

[Voodoo Lady]

Either you and I are tiresome and should feel insulted or Paul was pissed and thought for some reason that this was NAFF.

[Son of Tubbs returns!]

I'm finding it tiresome now.What are they trying to do?

Ohh bloody hell! I thought it WAS NAFF and I WAS pissed!

Ohh sorry Ladies!

[Voodoo Lady]

I'm still half tempted to feel insulted, just 'cause I can.

Viper, my friends and I did a really poorly planned drinking game while rewatching the Indy films. The rule when you hear the Wilhelm scream is to glug whatever is left in your glass.

[Son of Tubbs returns!]

I'm still half tempted to feel insulted, just 'cause I can.

Oh god no, Its the last thing I'd do!

[Voodoo Lady]

=winks bigger=

[Viper]

Either you and I are tiresome and should feel insulted or Paul was pissed and thought for some reason that this was NAFF.

I thought it might have been some sort of weariness with Indiana Jones. I was about to leap to Indy's defence in full probably fan nit mode!

Ohh sorry Ladies!

No worries, SoTR. I gather from various cryptic riddles of the Incas that you're having a hard p*ssed off time at the moment.

And thank God, thank God you're not weary with Indy. He would have been so upset!

Viper, my friends and I did a really poorly planned drinking game while rewatching the Indy films. The rule when you hear the Wilhelm scream is to glug whatever is left in your glass.

Does it occur so frequently that you ended up in the hospital with alcohol poisoning, or so little that it wasn't really a drinking game?

[Son of Tubbs returns!]

No actually I love Indy and am looking forward to seeing the latest movie!

Just hope it lives up to my expectation!